Your pump motor’s frame (FR) rating notes three key parts of your motor’s design which will help you match your current motor to a replacement. The three key parts are:
- Flange Shape
- Barrel Size
- Shaft-End Type
As we know from previous blogs and how-to guides, the quickest and easiest way to find your pump’s motor replacement is to input the motor’s , (CAT) or number into Inyo’s search feature. However, over time pump motor labels fade, tear or smudge making the part or catalog number unreadable. Knowing your motor’s frame rating, in conjunction with its horsepower, service factor and amps, will help you find a match.
Without further ado, let’s get started.
Frame Shape & Shaft-End Type
The most common pump motor from ratings are 48Y, 56Y, and 56J; the letter at the end of the rating denotes the frame shape. The five most common pool pump motor frame shapes are:
Y-Frame J-Frame C-Frame Z-Frame Flex-Frame
- Y (Square with Threaded Shaft) – Y-frame motors feature a square metal flange for bolting to the pump housing.
- J (Round Flange with Threaded Shaft) – This is the standard for round flange motors for modern pumps. The J-frame features a threaded shaft for impeller installation.
- C (Round Flange with Keyed Shaft) – These motors have a notch that runs the length of the exposed motor shaft that is called a key. The keyway allows for the brass key extension to be slid over the motor shaft. It is secured in place by two or three screws. It is mostly used on cast iron and bronze pumps. The keyed shaft motor is being phased out in favor of the standard threaded shaft.
- Z (Round Flange with Flat Shaft) – The Z-frame uses a flatted shaft end on which the impeller is to be secured. Z-frame motors are usually made in batches to be fitted to a pump manufacturer’s specialty pump. The tricky thing about the flatted shaft is that the width of the flat side varies. So, not all flat shaft Z-frame motors are interchangeable.
- Flex (Thru Bolt Design with Threaded Shaft) – An offshoot of the Y-frame motors, the Flex frame is used on above ground pool and spa pumps. The Flex-frame motors are usually labeled as 48Y, but will have the distinct pedestal at its base. The Flex is unique because it uses four thin partially threaded screws (known as thru bolts) that are slid the length of the motor through the back end and screwed into the seal plate.
Barrel Size
A pool pump motor casing (also known as the motor barrel) is made in two sizes. This is noted on the label as:
- 48 = 5-7/8” Barrel Diameter (approx.)
- 56 = 6-3/4” Barrel Diameter (approx.)
The 48 and 56 barrel sizes are interchangeable as long as the frame shape matches (see below). To switch from 48 to 56 or vice versa requires a simple adjustment to the motor stand. Depending on your pump model, this may be as simple as adding or subtracting an extension piece to support the motor, or you may have to modify the foot stand manually. “Manually modify” is fancy talk for taking a hacksaw to remove a piece or adding a rubber gap filler. Manufacturers have slowly but surely started to include the rubber gap filler in 48-frame motors to prevent the need for pool owners to rig a solution.
Prefix Letter
I stated in this article’s introduction that there are three key points noted on the motor label, but on some labels there is a mysterious prefix. The letter is usually a Y or a P, for example:
- Y48Y
- P56J
I stated in this article’s introduction that there are three key points noted on the motor label, but on some labels there is a mysterious prefix. The letter is usually a Y or a P, for example:
Ignore the prefix letters, which indicate overall motor length, as there are no industry standards. Check the length of the suggested replacement if a longer motor would be a problem in the installation
I receive questions about this letter often, but all I know is that it does not serve any true purpose for matching a motor. But since I care about all of you, I asked the manufacturers and this was their response. In summary, don’t worry about it.
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I have a discontinued Marathon 5KC38SNC328X pump motor with a FR – 56C. Do you have a suggested replacement motor?
Do you see an alternative part number on the label? It should start with a C followed by four digits; for example, ‘C1245.’
what about X56J, what does the X mean
Can I use a motor with 56J to replace a old motor with 56JZ frame?
What are the part or model numbers of the specific motors you are asking about?
I have an AO Smith 1 hp motor with 56J frame. It has a 7/16-20 shaft threads. Do all 56J frames have the same size shaft threads?
I don’t know about “all motors” but 1081 type pool & spa motors have similar thread sizes.
I have a century 1080 3/4 hp, 56cz pool motor/pump, I would think these things should last more than 1-2 years. Maybe I should try a different brand?
also Does a 56cz compatible with a 56y?
No, it isn’t. Plus, you say it is a 1080 type, pool and spa motors are 1081. You have a different type of motor than the ones we are talking about in the article.
I have an A.O.Smith Corp pump installed in my pool.
It has the following specs: Volts 115/230; KW .37; HP 1/5; RPM 2850; FR 48Y; HZ 50; Max Load Amps 9.4/4.7; SF 1.30; Class B; Type C.
Please, I need to know the flow capacity of the pump, the litres per minute, or gallons per hour, as I don’t know how long does it take to turn around the volume of water using this pump.
Thanks,
Geoff
That information is all motor-related; a motor that can be fitted to dozens of different pump housings which in turn have their own specific flowrate. That flowrate is also determined by the feet of the head of the system. In order to figure out gallons per minute, I need to know the model number of the pump housing and the feet of head of the system.
So how could I make a 56 into a 48
You can buy a 48 motor, and replace your old 56 motor. The flange of the new motor would need to match the old motor, Y to Y, J to J.
Hello!! I’m in need of a HyFlo pump: .75CD
The SN: F48M93A15
Type:F
SER:2H99
AMB: 40 C
V: 115
A: 5.6
HZ: 60
FR: 48
CODE: C
INS: B
PH: 1
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Hopefully you can help me out.
Thank you,
Ashley
Thank you young man, without dimensions I could not tell if the bolt patterns and face to shaft end are the same with J and Y frames.
As charity, I’m replacing a 1hp Pentair motor and seals but prefer to come out of my pocket as light as possibly and help them with a more energy efficient motor, maybe 3/4hp.
What say you?
Thanks, JS
To find a suitable motor replacement, I would need to know the motor model, part or catalog number. Or you can provide the listed HP, SF, Amps, Volts, and Frame.
I need a 48Y for my hvac. Would a 48YZ be compatible? Thanks in advance! 🙂
No, because pool pump motors are different than HVAC motors; that is also why that frame is not mentioned article. You should track down an HVAC parts company.
I have a century 1.5 hp motor type CX frame y56j cat. B229SE serial number 34218CH
What hayward motor can I replace it with?
Hayward does not make their own motors, Century makes them and adds the different paint job and sticker. The best option is to go with the Century 1.5 HP Round Flange 56J Up Rate Motor – B229SE because it would be the exact same motor but a lot less money than the Hayward alternative.
Matthew,
I have a motor that went out and It was a 3/4 hp Centurion by Century. I ordered a replacement which did not identify the frame. The dead motor was a 56Y and the company shipped me a 56J. Are these incompatible or will the new 56J work?
They are not compatible, you will need to return the 56J motor for one with the correct frame.